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Not So Silent Bob

cday
Frequent Flyer C

Many of you reached out to us via Twitter last night and today regarding a situation a Customer Twittered about that occurred on a Southwest flight.  It is not our customary method of Customer Relations to be so public in how we work through these situations, but with so many people involved in the occurrence, you also should be involved in the solution. First and foremost, to Mr. Smith; we would like to echo our Tweets and again offer our heartfelt apologies to you.   We are sincerely sorry for your travel experience on Southwest Airlines. 

As soon as we saw the first Tweet from Mr. Smith, we contacted him personally to apologize for his experience and to address his concerns on both Twitter and with a personal phone call. Since the situation has received a lot of public attention, we'd like to take the opportunity to address a few of the specifics here as well.

Mr. Smith originally purchased two Southwest seats on a flight from Oakland to Burbank – as he’s been known to do when traveling on Southwest.  He decided to change his plans and board an earlier flight to Burbank, which technically means flying standby. As you may know, airlines are not able to clear standby passengers until all Customers are boarded. When the time came to board Mr. Smith, we had only a single seat available for him to occupy. We are responsible for the Safety and comfort of all Customers on the aircraft and therefore, we made a judgment call that Mr. Smith needed more than one seat to complete his flight. Our Employees explained why the decision was made, accommodated Mr. Smith on a later flight, and issued him a $100 Southwest travel voucher for his inconvenience.

You've read about these situations before. Southwest instituted our Customer of Size policy more than 25 years ago. The policy requires passengers that can not fit safely and comfortably in one seat to purchase an additional seat while traveling. This policy is not unique to Southwest Airlines and it is not a revenue generator. Most, if not all, carriers have similar policies, but unique to Southwest is the refunding of the second seat purchased (if the flight does not oversell) which is greater than any revenue made (full policy can be found here). The spirit of this policy is based solely on Customer comfort and Safety. As a Company committed to serving our Customers in Safety and comfort, we feel the definitive boundary between seats is the armrest. If a Customer cannot comfortably lower the armrest and infringes on a portion of another seat, a Customer seated adjacent would be very uncomfortable and a timely exit from the aircraft in the event of an emergency might be compromised if we allow a cramped, restricted seating arrangement.

1,758 Comments
Anonymous365
Explorer C
and to the people saying that the policy is justified I agree but they didn't follow their own policy he had no problem with the arm rests or the seat belt. That wasn't the issue in the least. If someone evades the space of another customer then yes they have to have 2 seats. KS was targeted and wrongly ejected when he failed none of the requirements
Anonymous365
Explorer C
and to the people saying that the policy is justified I agree but they didn't follow their own policy he had no problem with the arm rests or the seat belt. That wasn't the issue in the least. If someone evades the space of another customer then yes they have to have 2 seats. KS was targeted and wrongly ejected when he failed none of the requirements
5_1__110lb_flye
Explorer C
One of my major fears of flying is being stuck between to HUGE people on any flight, whether it's a short or long flight. It is not fair to have to give up both arm rests and be squished because the two people on either side of me can not or will not put down the doughnut! At a basketball game in a large arena I had to sit sideways because the large woman to my left encroached well into my space and then proceed to eat her way through the entire game. More weight equals more fuel to fly and if they don't calculate the fuel/distance/weight ratio correctly you may very well crash. I believe that if you weigh as much as two people you should pay for two seats and for the fuel to get two people off the ground safely, this would also keep you and everyone else on the flight in the air safely. My other major concern is that my eldest is a flight attendant (not on Southwest but another carrier who has to deal with the same situation daily) and I do not appreciate the attitude of HUGE flyers who feel they should not have to pay for two seats when their size and weight jeopardizes the safety of everyone on the plane including my child several times a day!!!!!! Either lose the weight or shut up and pay up.
Anonymous3968
Explorer C
I hope all airlines follow this rule. I once moved from my seat in the middle of the plane to the back because I was sitting between two overweight people. Nothing is more annoying or uncomfortable to be sandwiched in between two overweight people on a 3-4 hour flight. If that person chooses to be overweight that's fine, but they should not feel like they have a right to make someone else uncomfortable on an airplane or movie theater or anywhere there are seats attached in rows.
Anonymous1896
Explorer C
Thank you Southwest! I only wish you did it on all your flights. I also applaud Kevin Smith for his usual practice of purchasing two tickets. This past Fall, another passenger and I were squished on a flight from New Orleans to Orlando when an enormous woman took the middle seat in our row taking her own seat as well as half of each of ours. Regrettably, the middle seat obese flier occurs all too often. On a flight several years ago from Pittsburgh to Chicago on a different carrier, the middle seat obese flier flew the entire trip with his arms above his head so that there was enough room for each of us next to him to be able to squeeze into our seats.
jds
Explorer C
Good for you Southwest! I'm pretty fat myself and If I get to the point of needing two seats I expect to Pay for two seats. I don't like being jambed in with people either. The MAIN reason he should have been tossed off the flight is his RUDNESS and BOORISH behaviour. Anyone verbally abusive to the flight staff should Not be on the plane and there's no reason other passengers should have to listen to him.
Anonymous1896
Explorer C
Thank you Southwest! I only wish you did it on all your flights. I also applaud Kevin Smith for his usual practice of purchasing two tickets. This past Fall, another passenger and I were squished on a flight from New Orleans to Orlando when an enormous woman took the middle seat in our row taking her own seat as well as half of each of ours. Regrettably, the middle seat obese flier occurs all too often. On a flight several years ago from Pittsburgh to Chicago on a different carrier, the middle seat obese flier flew the entire trip with his arms above his head so that there was enough room for each of us next to him to be able to squeeze into our seats.
5_1__110lb_flye
Explorer C
One of my major fears of flying is being stuck between to HUGE people on any flight, whether it's a short or long flight. It is not fair to have to give up both arm rests and be squished because the two people on either side of me can not or will not put down the doughnut! At a basketball game in a large arena I had to sit sideways because the large woman to my left encroached well into my space and then proceeded to eat her way through the entire game. More weight equals more fuel to fly and if they don't calculate the fuel/distance/weight ratio correctly you may very well crash. I believe that if you weigh as much as two people you should pay for two seats and for the fuel to get two people off the ground safely, this would also keep you and everyone else on the flight in the air safely. My other major concern is that my eldest is a flight attendant (not on Southwest but another carrier who has to deal with the same situation daily) and I do not appreciate the attitude of HUGE flyers who feel they should not have to pay for two seats when their size and weight jeopardizes the safety of everyone on the plane including my child several times a day!!!!!! Either lose the weight or shut up and pay up.
Tom11
Explorer C
Anonymous, his "language on Twitter was uncalled for"? People in the real world swear when they are upset. People passively tolerating bad customer service leads directly to even worse customer service. Companies have a tendency to fall back on "that's the policy" just as long as everyone shuts up. If people don't, the policy magically changes. Companies don't notice genteel and polite disagreements.
Anonymous1511
Explorer C
Shame on you southwest. I've been flying your airline consistently for over a decade and will be taking my business elsewhere. Your apology and actions are unacceptable.
pgraves
Explorer C
You call that an apology? The best thing you can do is admit you're wrong. Prepare to lose a huge amount of business.
joetheinformed
Explorer C
Would you be apologizing to my fat butt if I were the customer you booted Southwest? I find it hypocritical to apologize just because the person you booted is famous. If it were me getting treated that way hell would freeze over before I got an apology posted on your site.
Notsomuch
Explorer C
THANK YOU SWA!!! I hate getting stuck next to these folks who should have purchased two seats. It has happened to me way too many times and makes the flight most unpleasant.
copyeditor
Explorer C
So... is the title supposed to read "NOT-SO-SILENT BOB" or "NOT SO, SILENT BOB"? Appropriately placed punctuation would have helped. Or was the ambiguity intentional? right.
Anonymous4631
Explorer C
Sorry, Southwest. We all know Kevin wouldn't make a storm without legit reason. We know that about him, so we're sticking by his word. You've lost a lot of customer service through this. And if you guys want the full story, listen to his Smodcast.
David55
Explorer C
Sorry guys but you ****ed up I'll never fly Southwest ever again!
Anonymous1065
Explorer C
Bullshit, this is not an apology. If you tell someone that they can't fly for safety reasons if they can't lower their armrests, and then continue to remove them from a plane when they show you they can lower their armrests then you don't deserve to claim the high ground. Seriously I know your customer service sucks, but if you can't tell the difference between someone who seriously could be a "safety hazard" and someone who is just heavy set then you can't have that policy. If you could find a way to actually tell at what point it becomes a "safety hazard" (besides your seat belt and armrest standards which you obviously don't care about), then maybe you wouldn't be accused of just trying to bilk customers. So see how well your business does now that people know that you take advantage of heavy set people to purchase unused seats, and how you can indiscriminately embarrass people and treat them like shit.
Yerboy
Explorer C
Nice PR tapdance. You sure this isn't Fred Astaire Airlines?
Cass
Explorer C
KEVIN SMITH FTW!!! It sickens me that this is a company "policy" you should have your staff trained properly and stop being so money hungry and make planes that have room for larger people. This obviously wasnt an isolated incident - since the poor girl that Kev was seated next to on the second flight was told to buy two seats next time instead of one!!!!!!!!!! Shame on you, SWA - you're putting profits before customer satisfaction.
Furp
Explorer C
I once flew a Delta flight where they had me seated between two fatties. There was a sliver of space and no way I could even attempt to sit. So I hit the overhead help button and the stewardess immediately came to my aid...and I got to sit with the stewardesses in the galley. Southwest gets my vote...
Rick14
Explorer C
I've been a longtime customer of this airline. Needless to say, that will no longer be the case.
Anonymous114
Explorer C
The amount of space each passenger gets in an airplane is too small to begin with. It is particularly irritating to have an overly large person sit next to me and take up one third or more of that limited space. ( Maybe you should charge the overly large person for one and one third tickets and reduce my fare accordingly.) Keep enforcing your policy.
doc123x
Explorer C
Southwest hires little hitler wannabes. I don't fly southwest, I'd rather pay to fly a real airline and not a flying bus. Also, every anonymous post seems like it's pro Southwest; tell the hitler in a skirt stewardess - suzanne, was it? and the pilot to stop posting; there's no justification for their actions. Southwest should consider replacing them.
Anonymous54
Explorer C
You've made so many enemies.
Anonymous4522
Explorer C
You can kiss this customer goodbye. Three members of my family are flying SWA today. This will be our last flight on your inconsiderate airline. Good luck.
Anonymous3898
Explorer C
Oh Southwest Airlines, I wonder if you have any idea how many future tickets you just unsold. Let's stipulate that your overweight passenger policy (seat belt buckled, arm rests down) is entirely reasonable. The way your representatives have handled this situation is still shameful, even if Mr. Smith was, by your standards, too large to fit in one seat--and it's not at all clear that he was. This type of thing should be handled in the terminal and not in the plane. Only passengers which pose a clear and unavoidable threat to the security, comfort, and safety of the flight should be subject to expulsion at the discretion of the pilot. Unless you have evidence of explosives secreted somewhere on Mr. Smith's person, the pilot in this situation should be reprimanded for abusing that discretion. But the real frightening thing for Southwest Airlines is how badly they've affronted a significant portion of their customer base. To be overweight in our society is to be constantly subject to ridicule and humiliation, and thus most overweight people are meticulous about avoiding as much as possible any situation which brings attention to their weight. I'm significantly less overweight than Mr. Smith and have never had any trouble fitting into ever-smaller airplane seats, but I can promise you that I will from this point on never even consider buying a ticket on your airline simply to avoid any possibility of experiencing a similar situation. Like most people, I'm much more private than Mr. Smith and would simply rather not leave home than have to undergo that kind of public humiliation. Until you can show proof that your policy is applied fairly, consistently, and with a modicum of consideration for the dignity of the passengers to whom it applies, I will assume I am not welcome on any of your flights.
S_1
Explorer C
Your User's Guide states "Of course, profanity, racial and ethnic slurs, and rude behavior like disparaging personal remarks won’t be tolerated nor published." And so how can comments like "Kill the Fatties" and "Shut your fat pieholes, you easily offended fat pukes" be allowed to stand? You've allowed your corporate space - your brand space - to become a free forum for hate speech against overweight people, and that is perhaps as great an offense as anything else discribed in this space.
G_Q__Penn
Explorer C
Ridiculous. It would be easier if SW just owned up that their employees made the wrong call with Mr. Smith. I work for a large company and it is difficult to ensure that your workers are enforcing policies correctly and uniformly and I am sure that is what happened here. Trying to blame Mr. Smith for your employee's poor judgement makes your company look foolish and losing you good customers. I've flown SW for years, but no longer. Mr. Smith is not the first customer you have handled poorly. Kyla Ebbert was thrown off one of your planes for having a skirt that was "too short" in the opinion of her flight crew. Pamela Root and her 2 year old were kicked off another flight because the baby was crying prior to take off. Odd behavior for the "laid back" airline you pretend to be.
doc123x
Explorer C
why did my negative comment fail to post? I merely pointed out that all the anonymous posts appear to be pro southwest, and that the southwest media vultures should stop posting, They're not influencing anybody.
kerrie
Explorer C
as a person who is not overweight, i do not want to sit next to someone overflowing into my chair. what about thin people's rights? as with the rights of non-smokers, i don't think its fair for someone elses lifestyle choices (smoking, overeating) to endanger my safety or comfort. southwest is right. the end.
Lisa_in_NJ
Explorer C
Funny how the SW airlines twitter page has been 'static' since around the time this happened. Maybe they need a new commercial 'Your bags fly free - your fatass pays double'
frequent_Delta_
Explorer C
I like Kevin Smith; however I think that he, and everyone else, should let this go. I think it is a good policy and I wish the other airlines had it. I would hope that every effort to avoid a passenger's embarrasement would be made, but I'm sure that isn't possible in every situation. It is uncomfortable and unsafe if a passenger cannot fit in the allotted seat. Granted, they are small!! All the more reason to make sure you are only taking up what you have paid for. Now whether this particular situation was "fair" or not really cannot be determined by those of us who were not there. The fact is that it is up to the pilot to make the final determination of whether he/she is going to be conducting a safe flight for himself, the aircraft, and all passengers. This is the case in all areas of aviation and not exclusive to commercial airlines. It's always going to be a subjective call in the end and disagreements will rage because, right or wrong, not all people are going to have the same perspective as the pilot.
Not_Fat
Explorer C
In regards to all you folks declaring your boycott and stand against SWA on how they treated Smith; it's a hollow threat and ALL companies know it. Especially discounters or low cost providers. When it comes time for you to fly again and one of the other airlines wants $600 plus baggage fees you are going to swallow your pride and buy that $149 SWA sale priced seat. I feel for Smith and I think airlines are given too much authority over their passengers but we will all continue to fly SWA because the other carriers are worse....much, much worse.
Former_Southwes
Explorer C
I have been a die hard Southwest Airlines fan for years. I PREFER Southwest, because of the convenience and cost. However. I'll choose another airline in the future. I'll encourage my friends and family to do the same. This is blatant bigotry. Shame on you Southwest, not just not just for slighting Kevin Smith, but for all the other people you've embarrassed, humiliated and inconvenienced. AMEN to Jane's eloquent and articulate response. So long Southwest.
Ben_Affffleck
Explorer C
Did he have a copy of "Jersey Girl" with him? Because as he should know, you can't bring a bomb on a plane.
Stephanie_Johns
Explorer C
I am an uncomplaining frequent flyer and happy SWA customer. Once, on a flight on a different airline, I was asked to give up my seat so a "mother and daughter" could sit together. I obligingly moved and was seated between two Kevin Smith-sized individuals. I sat, arms literally pressed to my sides, knees together, for three hours between the two. Unless you've been there/done that, don't complain. SWA's policy is correct. If you pay for a seat, you should be entitled to all of the space between the arm rests.
Anonymous3763
Explorer C
WOW.....$100.00 that will make him less humiliated. Poor judgement. Who's running your PR department?
Stephanie_Johns
Explorer C
I am an uncomplaining frequent flyer and happy SWA customer. Once, on a flight on a different airline, I was asked to give up my seat so a "mother and daughter" could sit together. I obligingly moved and was seated between two Kevin Smith-sized individuals. I sat, arms literally pressed to my sides, knees together, for three hours between the two. Unless you've been there/done that, don't complain. SWA's policy is correct. If you pay for a seat, you should be entitled to all of the space between the arm rests.
John_from_Los_A
Explorer C
Thank you Southwest. It's a good thing I was made aware of this policy so I don't need to bother booking any future flights with you. I'm 6' tall, 240 pounds - and don't want to get stuck buying a second ticket if some wannabe Ally McBeal stewardess and her captain think I'm overweight. Humiliating customers is NEVER good for business. Hopefully other airlines will rethink their policies after YOU go out of business, which will hopefully be soon. ...With all the delays at the airports anyway, it probably costs less & takes about as much time to drive.
Cory2
Explorer C
First you apologize, then you try to justify what you did wrong. Who writes this shit? Whoever did obviously does not actually feel bad for anything that happened on that plane. I'm a pretty big guy myself and trust me, had it been ME that you guys asked to get off the plane after I had my belt on and armrests down (usually an indicator that you can, indeed, fit in a seat), SWA would have heard from my lawyer so damned fast all your prejudiced little heads would spin. Good job in promoting a welcoming atmosphere, you hypocritical asses.
Jessica5
Explorer C
Kevin fit into the seat, comfortably, no problem. The people beside him were comfortable also. He could even buckle his seat-belt and had the arm rests down. And Kevin also stated that you haven't called him yet either... Never flying southwest again.
Lenny
Explorer C
Wow, SW. No matter how much I hate Kevin Smith, you are completely saying all the wrong things if you're attempting to apologize. How about you just start measuring everyone's waist size before they board the plane and just have a set rule, where you HAVE to buy an extra seat, or you can't fly. If the man fits, you can't boot him. Shame on you. You've lost my business. And the plants that keep posting from the company, come on, really? Try and make it less obvious. No one like sitting next to a fat slob on a plane, but really, have some effing respect.
John_Keahey
Explorer C
Why, Southwest, are you apologizing. You did nothing wrong. Your rules are well established, and he knows what the rules are. The guy's a mental eunuch. Give the rest of us a break and get people like him into two seats, even if it means he has to wait for a flight with two seats open. So you apologize and offer a $100 voucher? Ridiculous.
Jessica5
Explorer C
Kevin fit into the seat, comfortably, no problem. The people beside him were comfortable also. He could even buckle his seat-belt and had the arm rests down. And Kevin also stated that you haven't called him yet either... Never flying southwest again.
Anonymous1966
Explorer C
NO other industry is allowed to treat people the way the airlines do...and it's always under the guise of "safety". Airlines are allowed to delay people, search their belongings, imprison them on flights with no working toilets or food, strand them for days in terminals with no hotel accommodations. This is not just Southwest but the entire industry. And for those to dare to argue? The risk of imprisonment for not following an aircraft's employees instructions to the letter when you land! People, it's time to wake up and start boycotting ALL flights until the industry wakes up and starts to treat passengers like human beings again!!!
Ben3
Explorer C
This *apology* seems very insincere. Apologies don't come with excuses -- especially ones that demonstrate a lack of understanding of what the customer claimed happened. If Kevin fits in the seat with the armrests down, there was no need to remove him from the plane. It doesn't matter how many seats he has purchased in the past. If it was believed Kevin was too large to fit in the seat, he should not have been boarded on the plane. Furthermore, taking the woman next to him on the later flight aside to tell her she may need to purchase two seats was wrong. Even if she may need two seats there was no need to embarrass her in that way. If it is really necessary, how about finding a discrete way to talk to passengers about their size? I am a large man - both heavy and tall. I find airplane seats to be one of the most uncomfortable places I can be. I buy only one seat when I fly. I fit between the armrests. I don't need a seatbelt extender. When an option is available (on other airlines that offer it), I will upgrade to get more leg room. When I have options, the leg and head room on specific airlines and airplanes are things I consider when purchasing tickets. My point? I can fit in one seat but am close enough in size that I fear Southwest might decide to boot me from a plane. Based on this so-called *apology*, it seems that the way Kevin Smith was treated is standard operating procedure for Southwest. That being the case, I will not risk flying Southwest again. I do not care for Kevin Smith's foul language but believe he is more in the right here than Southwest Airlines. Look beyond the language and attitude to realize that Southwest handled this very poorly. The true measure of customer service is how a company handles things when mistakes are made. Southwest has failed.
Shawn2
Explorer C
Wow listen to all the overweight rage... I for one applaud South Wests policy, after having been forced to have most of my left thigh be covered by a "person of (way) greater than normal weight"'s right buttock for more than a 6 hour flight using one of their competitors. It was an uncomfortable and humiliating experience for both of us. Bravo South West!
Garrick
Explorer C
I have no doubt this apology originates from your "crisis management" experts. You really should get your money back, Southwest. Your employee Suzanne lied. She told Keving he was being ejected over "safety concerns," How does being overweight cause a safety issue. I can see it potentially being a "discomfort" issue for other passengers, but certainly not a safety one. Both of the passengers sitting next to Kevin had no objection to him being there. That was mistake number two. Why didn't Suzanne take that into consideration. Mistake number three, if he was going to be ejected, why didn't all the other employees say something before he boarded the plane? Another misstep. Apologize for the missteps. Not for inconveniencing the man and say "we did no wrong." You did do wrong. Admit it, for God's sake. Then, I think he might consider accepting the apologize. You really haven't apologized for the mistakes and missteps of your employees. Own up. I don't think I'll ever give you any of my business ever again.
Heckadad
Explorer C
I am glad that I now know not to fly Southwest Airlines, they are really into safety though.
Heckadad
Explorer C
I am glad that I now know not to fly Southwest Airlines, they are really into safety though.