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Not So Silent Bob

cday
Frequent Flyer C

Many of you reached out to us via Twitter last night and today regarding a situation a Customer Twittered about that occurred on a Southwest flight.  It is not our customary method of Customer Relations to be so public in how we work through these situations, but with so many people involved in the occurrence, you also should be involved in the solution. First and foremost, to Mr. Smith; we would like to echo our Tweets and again offer our heartfelt apologies to you.   We are sincerely sorry for your travel experience on Southwest Airlines. 

As soon as we saw the first Tweet from Mr. Smith, we contacted him personally to apologize for his experience and to address his concerns on both Twitter and with a personal phone call. Since the situation has received a lot of public attention, we'd like to take the opportunity to address a few of the specifics here as well.

Mr. Smith originally purchased two Southwest seats on a flight from Oakland to Burbank – as he’s been known to do when traveling on Southwest.  He decided to change his plans and board an earlier flight to Burbank, which technically means flying standby. As you may know, airlines are not able to clear standby passengers until all Customers are boarded. When the time came to board Mr. Smith, we had only a single seat available for him to occupy. We are responsible for the Safety and comfort of all Customers on the aircraft and therefore, we made a judgment call that Mr. Smith needed more than one seat to complete his flight. Our Employees explained why the decision was made, accommodated Mr. Smith on a later flight, and issued him a $100 Southwest travel voucher for his inconvenience.

You've read about these situations before. Southwest instituted our Customer of Size policy more than 25 years ago. The policy requires passengers that can not fit safely and comfortably in one seat to purchase an additional seat while traveling. This policy is not unique to Southwest Airlines and it is not a revenue generator. Most, if not all, carriers have similar policies, but unique to Southwest is the refunding of the second seat purchased (if the flight does not oversell) which is greater than any revenue made (full policy can be found here). The spirit of this policy is based solely on Customer comfort and Safety. As a Company committed to serving our Customers in Safety and comfort, we feel the definitive boundary between seats is the armrest. If a Customer cannot comfortably lower the armrest and infringes on a portion of another seat, a Customer seated adjacent would be very uncomfortable and a timely exit from the aircraft in the event of an emergency might be compromised if we allow a cramped, restricted seating arrangement.

1,758 Comments
Anonymous1011
Explorer C
I'm sorry that Mr. Smith had a humiliating experience, but side with the Southwest policy.
vijay
Explorer C
"The number of posters who clearly HATE overweight people is apalling. I am ashamed of all of you." my personal feeling about fat people are irrelevant; the point is, being fat is not a handicap it is a lifestyle choice. in the same way that a private company can make judgment calls about what lifestyle choices they will or will not allow (e.g., i cannot smoke on an airplane) they can and should make judgment calls about how the obesity of a few effects the flying experience of the many. they should not accommodate fat people if it isn't in their business interest to do so. if you are as ginormous as smith and don't like the policies of SW, well get together with a bunch of other fat people and form your own airline that caters to the fat.
Anonymous19
Explorer C
I totally agree with this.. is kevin going to fly out of his seat and smash someone? Comeon.. oh well sw just lost money. GO FATTIES!
Anonymous1676
Explorer C
I have sat next to several huge people who spilled over into my seat forcing me to lean into the aisle. Then i would get smacked in the head when ever a flight attendant or passenger would walk by. If you are going to institute a fat person policy apply it uniformly. This just seemed like random policy selection which presents the problem. And seriously, it's not like you need to give people a reason to fly Virgin America.
Anonymous1851
Explorer C
As far as it being annoying to sit next to a larger than average person, there are plenty of other annoying passengers one could be seated next to, and they are NOT discriminated against. Crying babies and toddlers would top the list for me, yet nobody would think of asking them not to fly. Tall people with long limbs they have trouble keeping within their space boundries. People who smell. People who snore. People who talk too much and want to become my best friend during the flight, to name but a few. Sitting next to any of these people makes a flight less pleasant and less comfortable, but none of them will ever be discriminated against. Crying babies and crying/over active toddlers with inattentive parents affect many rows around them, not just the person(s) seated beside them, but they are never asked to leave the plane. Fat people... the only group it is still PC to hate, bad-mouth and discriminate against openly....
Snorlax
Explorer C
This is not an apology. This is an excuse masquerading as an apology. Kevin Smith was able to lower both armrests fully AND buckle his seatbelt. He demonstrated both of these to the flight attendants but they threw him off the airplane anyway. Southwest Airlines is continuing to libel Kevin Smith by asserting he is too fat to fit in one coach seat. Smith asserts otherwise. I predict Smith will take Southwest to court for libel and defamation of character and will win. Better get out your checkbook, Southwest Airlines...you'll need it. And as for me, I have never flown Southwest and now I never plan to. You suck.
infrequent_flie
Explorer C
kevin smith is no bigger than millions of americans, men and women, and the airline simply blew it. this is a policy that should apply to truly seriously obese people sparing both them on-the-spot awkwardness and other fliers' discomfort. and of course kevin smith buys multiple seats for privacy's sake, not because of his pants' size. instead of puffing all this smoke, a sincere apology and an effort to reconsider a policy that leaves far too much...seat room for bad calls by employees would have been a step in the right direction. i wonder how many other people like me simply won't be willing to risk potential public humiliation by southwest the next time we make our airline reservations; i would guess that it is a great many more than have taken the time to comment. bad call and bad response.
Snorlax
Explorer C
This isn't about being overweight, this is about POLITICS. Kevin Smith was thrown off the plane for being an EEEVIL LIBRRRUL. He had his armrests down and his seatbelt fastened. Under Southwest's own rules, he should not have been thrown off the plane. Obviously Southwest is a Reich Wingnut airline and I refuse to fly them.
Michelle_Taylor
Explorer C
LMAO, I've met Kevin Smith in person at one of his many public appearances. At MegaCon I took a Picture with him and I am an average to small girl and he's definitely not skinny... but he is definitely not big enough to require two seats. I mean my arm was on his back for the pic and I'm just saying I am totally siding with him, he fits in the seat, Southwest was wrong in the Decision imo and I think that they should admit that they were.
Anonymous4034
Explorer C
I don't know about Mr. Smith except what I've read recently about this incident. I also have never flown Southwest Airlines because it doesn't serve my area. I would probably never fly your airline for fear of being horribly embarrassed as I am overweight. I've flown dozens of domestic flights and some overseas and I've never had a problem with letting down the armrests, though I've OFTEN felt overcrowded. People are packed tighter than cattle into planes these days. I have flown in the seat from hell (middle) across country and never had a problem with another passenger or airline, but I wouldn't willingly submit myself to humiliation from your airline, either.
Miguel
Explorer C
This is unacceptable. He is not small, but he isnt the fattest guy to sit on a plane. He had both armrests down, he bought two tickets, and if hes a big director/actor, he bought first class tickets. Last time i saw, first class seats were HUGE. So if he had both armrests down why kick him, there wasnt supposed to be anyone next to him to bother. He pointed out that there was a bigger dude on the plane also, but he wouldnt point him out, because he didnt want to get aa fellow fatty kicked as well. HE HAD BOTH ARMRESTS DOWN AND WAS BUCKLED IN. Maybe the pilot hated his movies, and he was already marked by the passengers as Silent Bob. Does that nickname suggest that he was a danger to the flight. Of course he should be offended, there was absolutely no reason to kick him. and after that did you really expect him to use that $100 voucher in your airline again, NO. Im not fat, Im 125 lbs, and i wont be buying on SouthWest ever again.
Anonymous4000
Explorer C
This policy is BS. Admit your captain kicked him off because of his celebrity status so he could brag to his friends. I have seen this policy applied inconsistently over the years. Especially nailing people on a return flight when they have no choice but to cough up the extra money or be stranded, but not making them buy the extra seat to go out. If you really care about your customers you'd make a definitive set in stone written policy so a customer can prepare before hand instead of "calling out" a fat person infront of a plane load of waiting passengers. Disgusting!! I hope someone files an ADA or class action lawsuit against your airline so putting everyone in those unrealistically small seats to begin with, then charging more for two seats. Especially given the current demographics of this country's weight. I for one am done flying on Southwest.
Carole11
Explorer C
As one of the people who does not meet the size requirements. I recognize the problem and feel very bad when I end up sitting next to a stranger in a middle seat. I am tall 5'10', big boned and tip the scales at 350 not proud of it.. but true. And as a woman who has struggled all her life with a weight issue...very sensitive. It seems to me that SW and other airlines need to think outside the box and find a solution so "size challenged people" can Fly I have been on flights where at check in I believe the airlines left the seat open next to me if the filght was not full. But anymore every seat can be sold. So maybe there should be a class for flying that is reserved for size challenged. The seats could be larger and in areas where if you have to get folks out quickly there would be some thought as to the placement. Like handicap parking spots. I would be more then happy to identify myself as needing such a seat. And I would understand that it might cost more because of the extra space needed. This would be a much more intelligent and customer friendly position then making people buy a second seat . And you can always fill every seat that way. I no longer fly because it is so uncomfortable and unhealthy, Southwest has always been innovative in their thinking. Be the first to address this very important and lucrative problem.
Anonymous4335
Explorer C
Southwest, You apply this policy arbitrarily. On my last flight with you, I was unceremoniously crammed into a middle seat with two grossly obese women in the aisle and window seats in the bulkhead. I was told not-too-politely to take the seat so we could push back. Neither of these women fit into their own seat and the armrest of the window seat was up the whole flight, with the woman's arm and a large portion of her leg resting OVER me! I felt that the flight attendant put me in that seat not because it was the most convenient seat for me, but because I am a smaller person. He allowed several men taller and larger go past the seat to search out seats in the back...These women should have been split up, or the center seat should have remained unused. What a miserable experience! Small and Squished
Anonymous2276
Explorer C
He has a right to not be silent. He COULD fit in the seat with the arm rests down and buckle without and extender so any excuse you give about his comfort or the comfort of the other passengers is just that an excuse and a lame one. To all of you posting about being glad not to sit next to someone "fat" grow up. Seriously have you all gone back to kindergarten where you feel it is ok to make fun of people just because of their size? I bet there would be far fewer bandwagon jumpers if someone was removed for their race or religion then for being overweight.
Another_lost_cu
Explorer C
The conduct of Southwest Airlines sickens me. May you reap what you have sown.
Anonymous1571
Explorer C
how about a real apology? lying sacks....this is total BS. I don't care if Kevin Smith is fat or not, but this phoney LIE of an 'apology' is worse than what you did to Kevin Smith. What it means is that if YOU screw up, you'll blame the victim, and not every one of your victims is Kevin Smith. So they won't even get one of these phony apologies. What about every other person you've screwed over? Boycott this crappy company, and dump their stock.
sc
Explorer C
On a recent flight, a mean gate attendant/stewardess combo (not Southwest, but Continental) wouldn't let me switch seats to a bulkhead seat even though I was a full fare passenger and they gave it to a standby...instead, I had to sit next to an overweight man who at first intended to leave the armrest up for the flight (presumably so I could share my seat with him)...With an "excuse me" I put the armrest partially down (he almost had to stand up to get his extra skin/fat from preventing it from going down) but I stuck to my guns....I am tired of fat people flopping over into my seat...BUY 2 Seats or Seat all overweight people together...just because I'm thin doesn't mean I shouldn't get the seat I paid for
Anonymous4334
Explorer C
SWA has never been consistent. The whole "Nuts" policy and everything has been out the door for years. It has all become an urban legend. It's amazing how they will kick off paying passengers for size, but have you seen those people taht run on the last minute and work for them? Or how about the male flight attendant we had once...dude could barely get down the aisle.... Seriousley SWA......you are naughty and you know it....for once admit your wrongs so we can all move on!
Ged_Carroll
Explorer C
Thank you Christi, and to your colleagues for providing me with the material for such a awesome case study. I teach social media and online marketing, speaking in Europe. I will be using Southwest Air as an example of how not to handle a crisis - I reckon I can get a couple of years out of this.
jcall
Explorer C
Christi must also write for yhe NYT, its seems she does'nt understand the situation and is putting the blame on the wrong individual. Both her and Linda Rutherford should be shown the door.
Anonymous4368
Explorer C
Ha ha, I laugh at all you saying you will "never fly SWA again" sure you wont 😉 I also laugh at all you that wish they (SWA) would go bust... Yeh, cause that will all do you a great favour, right? Hmmm, NO, One less major airline in your American skies will surely raise the average prices of your tickets... which incidentally is the best value for your dollar in the WORLD!!! and you still get customer service (whether you want to believe it or not, America has it the best by far when it comes to amenities, PRICE, and customer service for "DOMESTIC" travel) But you can all keep crying a river for poor old fat Bob... Im sure we will see him, and all you other "Fat Bob lovers" flying SWA again 😉 cause we all know your bark is worse than your bite. (SWA = Most convenient, and cheapest way to fly in the US) and your wallet will make the final decision. Thumbs up SWA! Thumbs down Fat Bob..
Brent_McClain
Explorer C
I have to say that I'm amazed at the hate this has generated. You'd think Southwest made a black woman sit in the back of the plane or denied boarding to an Imam because he wanted to pray (really loud) from his Koran about the Jihad against the infidels (who just happen to be on the same plane...) or even allowed a priest bless the pilots for a safe flight... Gasp! These same folks are actually categorizing obese individuals with the mentally disabled, physically impaired and the elderly by saying that 'if they can't fly, neither should the handicapped.' Their argument is that airlines should not allow these people to fly because they also pose a safety hazard to passengers if they had to evacuate the aircraft in a hurry. I would gladly choose to risk my own safety to help a child, old person or someone in a cast down the inflatable slide if need be. I just hope we get to go before the fat folks -- I'm afraid they might pop it. I, for one, applaud Southwest for their fatty policy because I had the misfortune of sitting next to rather obese individual on a flight from London to San Francisco a few years ago -- it was one of the most miserable experiences of my life. My lower back and right shoulder hurt for two days! Why should anyone have to be subjected to some else's obesity like that? It actually caused me pain. Furthermore, why should an airplane apologize for thinking of the other passengers? I should have been given an apology, a refund for the part of the seat I couldn't use and a Valium or two for my trouble.
Anonymous49
Explorer C
I am sorry but I am regular sized individual and there is nothing more annoying that sitting in my seat and having a larger individual sit next to me and feel entitled to spill over into my seat and even lift up the arm rest and spill basically onto my lap. I pay a high price for a ticket and I want my 14 inches. I don't blame Southwest for their policy I actually applaud it. Don't attack the policy but if you are large either buy first class for the bigger seats or protest the size of the actual airplane seats. Don't criticize the airlines for protecting the purchase of the person sitting next to you.
Anonymous71
Explorer C
Like clockwork Southwest airlines has reminded me why I choose NOT to fly with them. It's a good thing they F-up so often or I could possibly break down in a moment of desperation and purchase a ticket. They're a cheap airline with cheap staff, cheap service and a cheap reputation.
Anonymous3254
Explorer C
you guys were so mean to kevin smith and you dont know how to treat customers, shocked. you owe him a real sorry not the bs you put up later
Anonymous3611
Explorer C
I am now more inclined to fly Southwest Airlines. I am pleased the airline is enforcing its Person of Size" (Fat slob) policy. I am tired of having someone elses blubber crowding into the seat space I purchased. As opposed to concern about discrimination against fat people, where is the concern about the discrimination against people who do fit in their seat but are crowded out by obese people sitting next to them.
Anonymous4010
Explorer C
Southwest SUCKS and I would never fly on this airline. Talk about Discrimination.
Anonymous282
Explorer C
haha Kevin ain't fat - he's just big boned. SWA = sucky welfare airline
Anonymous4125
Explorer C
This is the most ignorant thing I've heard Southwest do in a long time. Never, ever flying with you again. I hope no one does.
Jim_Brigham
Explorer C
Perhaps it is time that your personnel are more concerned about the comfort of your customers and less about how fat someone is. I can tell you that I would rather sit beside a large person than a crying baby. Try flying across the country with a toddler kicking tha back of your seat. So let's make parents buy extra seats to isolate their little ones. I suggest you fly Midwest Airlines and see how happy customers are to have a "first class" seat for the cost of coach. Is it possible that coach can be more than a crammed cattle car? Apparently not at SWA.
Anonymous3526
Explorer C
While I can understand both positions, I believe too often does not always follow a so-called policy and will sometimes enforce some and then never for a while and then a hard nose or hard core flight attendant will. This was my case when from a flight from Oakland to Washington I was told I had to sit down when I am a disabled person who suffers from prolong sitting as well as standing. There was no unsafe conditions, the seat belt light was not on and the aircraft was not bouncing around either. I was not in the forward cabin had done his on many other flights before. I feel that Southwest will say they are sorry that there was a misunderstanding between us and the employee, they often fail to support the people who fly with them. In my case, they just sent a sorry letter and not even offering anything for the trouble. I believe there are many who are good in the company and then you get a few hard nose types and then Public Relations people who just don't get it ever. I guess they don't want any bad pr to come out.
Anonymous4621
Explorer C
Soutwest Air sucks because: 1) They refuse to let online airfare web sites (like expedia.com) search their fares 2) A LOT of hidden fees in the flight booking web site. Advertised price $69, total price: $100 YOU FAIL. 3) They literally treat all of their passengers like "baggage" in that we are herded onto the plane like livestock. I'm suprized they don't charge you for lavitory access. 4) They don't know how to handle a PR catastrophy. The other comments on this blog that discuss SWAs inability to publically apologize to Mr. Smith ("Not So Silent Bob", cute... ) shows that SWA firmly does not believe in public apologies. SWA is shortsighted, greedy. The publicity and marketing campaign about how much they 'care' is just simply a gimick - and the Kevin Smith fiasco is proof!
Anonymous41
Explorer C
Horrible mistreatment of Kevin Smith. From now on I'm flying Pan am.
Anonymous958
Explorer C
Kevin hardly qualifies for the 'Person of Size' rule... so this was a BIG SWA screw up... my question is, if Kevin DIDN'T qualify for this rule... but they put him into that category anyhow... where were the people making this judgement call on my flight from Las Vegas to Los Angeles in 2005 via SWA? this person literally had half of their left gut IN MY LAP, and their Right half on the lap of the guy in the window seat (fortunately I was in the aisle seat so I had a little extra breathing room)... why didn't SWA make the call on THIS guy? why didn't SWA offer ME a refund for having to have this person's 'extra weight' being stored in half of my seat? It seems that they are indiscriminate in who they choose for this rule to apply to... I complained upon landing in LAX, and was issued an 'apology, that the person should have had 2 seats (apparently I wasn't the only person who brought this to their attention), but that it was 'over and i was home'... yes, it was over, yes, i was ALMOST home (still had a 1 hour drive home actually), but to this day I have not flown SWA since (that's 5 years SWA), whereas I used to fly quite often via their airline. and Trust me, Kevin Smith is no where NEAR the size of this guy who flew next to me...who the heck is making the judgment calls at the gates? Come on SWA, admit that there are many many major flaws with your "Person of Size" policy, which is overlooked in most cases, and applied in cases where it need not apply.
Amanda20
Explorer C
I'll tell you what, I am not as small as I would like to be (not fat either.. just not happy with my weight) so I understand how sensitive weight issues can be, so most likely, this was handled badly, it sure sounds like it... but the 2 seat rule for very large people.... is a good rule I had the experience a few months back of sitting next to someone who was 1/2 way into my seat, on a full flight, I was so squished and uncomfortable. So I can appreciate them pulling off someone too big.
Anonymous1336
Explorer C
Maybe soon you can have white-only seating too. Your the best airline ever!
Anonymous1506
Explorer C
It's amazing how many comments there have been in response to Southwest's Silent Bob post. It is unbelievable the tone of the response and the title in itself is even insulting. If this is supposed to be an apology Southwest fails miserably. Trying to couch your behavior as an excuse to protecting the other customers isn't making a good case. Ms. social network media publicist, you really need to improve your work. If this is the best you can do, maybe consider a new career. A sincere simple apology would have gone much further.
Anonymous2059
Explorer C
maybe if you stopped trying to squeeze people in like sardines, you wouldn't have this problem. Or how about having slightly larger seats at a slightly larger price for those who want/need them without having to shell out thousands for business/first class. I think you are in the wrong, SWA. Besides, I've looked at Mr. smith's pictures and I would be happy to sit next to him. If you threw off everyone of his size ,your plane would be empty
Jennifer_Garner
Explorer C
Disregard Ben's comments and keep bouncing Kevin's fat ass. Anything that keeps him off a flight to our place is fine with me. I don't need anymore fatties in my luxury condo.
Shawn7
Explorer C
Seriously those of you defending SWA you really should stop. It only looks like your either SW employee's trying to defend your company, basic forum trolls, or your paid by SW by some other means!
Dave23
Explorer C
all you complainers need to get a life. Obviously this is a difficult situation for all involved, but if any of you traveled much, you would know that Southwest employees (in general, obviously no person or corporation is perfect all the time) have good attitudes and give easily the best service in the skies. Kevin and all the rest of you: GET OVER IT. P.S. no, I am not a SWA employee, I am not getting compensated for saying this, I just appreciate the usually excellent service I get on SWA.
Anonymous983
Explorer C
First I'd like to say I have been a long time user of Southwest and believe they are the best airline out there. I will always use Southwest as they are way ahead of their competition and all of my flight experiences with them have been nothing short of pleasurable. Second of all, there is a terrible case of obesity in this country. I am hoping that this incident will help Mr. Smith realize that he has a weight problem and for the well being of his health and longevity of life, gets some help and takes care of his problem. I can't stand sitting next to someone who is overwieght, making my flight an uncomfortable one. If the captain of the flight, who is in control and needs to make all decisions based on the safety of his passengers, determines Mr. Smith needed to purchase another seat, then so be it. It has been stated that Mr. Smith has in the past purchased 2 seats because of his size. Why the hell didn't he do it in this circumstance. Perhaps he knows Southwest is an excellent airline and figured he could get away with it. I'm sorry to be commenting on this incident and it is not my intention to hurt anyones feelings but it is what it is! If oversized people continue to fly the friendly skies, perhaps someone should start an airline for those very people. I do feel however that any and all airlines should post a certain girth size of a person allowed for a single seat. Let's say the allowable size of a person purchasing a single seat is not to exceed a midsection girth of more than 50 inches. Then if you're larger than that, purchase 2 tickets. The airlines do not know how big a person is until they actually try to sit in the seat. If you're larger than the alloted size given, purchase 2 seats to avoid humiliation and embarrassment. Last not but not least, I hope everyone follows a diet and exercise regimen to avoid obesity or help fight obesity. The statistics are overwhelming and we need to fight this fatal epidemic. Stay healthy and live a long and happy quality lifestyle!
Anonymous2590
Explorer C
Yes, I agree fat is uncomfortable to sit next to on these flights but so is sitting next to a man with massive shoulders, even if they are not fat. I do not see Southwest making them buy two seats. There have been times I have had to sit sideways in my seat to avoid the shoulder overhang. Should we be making these people buy two seats too? There has to be a better way to address this problem.
YOU_GO_SW
Explorer C
Dear SW AIrlines I am a very frequent flier of your airline and before this incident i thought your airline was terrifice. Now i think it is the BEST!!! Anyone who travels alot knows that when you pay your seat you should get your seat, NOT half or less. Make overweight people pay more, your seats have not gotten smaller. What a diet plan! I will continue to fly you more and even when I can drive i will try to fly your airline. You make us frequent fliers happy! Dont listen to the cry babies that paid for two seats becuase they KNOW they need it. He was put in a position he knew he would be in as he paid for these two seats! Quit crying all you do is pretend all day anyhow "playing house"on TV. Get a skirt!
Belinda
Explorer C
This is a pretty lame 'apology' and, based on the way it is written, I can see why Kevin Smith was driven to use the language he did. I hope the media attention will continue and shine a light on this discriminatory policy. I will never fly with your airline. I will tell everyone I know about this and give them links to every related news story out there so that they can also make an informed decision when making their travel plans too.
Anonymous111
Explorer C
First of all, how does one purchase two tickets for themselves on a southwest flight when there's an "open seating" policy on southwest?? When someone asks "is that middle seat taken?" Does he just respond "yes, I paid for two"? Either way, if he had a history of paying for two seats to allow himself "extra room", he's already aware he has a problem fitting into a single seat. In defense of Kevin, I never thought him of the obese size that would venture into the adjacent seat, but I digress. I'm willing to bet that the fact that he had 2 tickets on the previous flight, then went standby, is what drew attention to his weight on the flight he wound up taking. He might be able to claim Hollywood status (on a SW flight of all places) and buy 2 tickets for some sort of ghetto SW first class feeling... but to any airline employee, someone who walks up to the counter, asks for standby, and forks over two boarding passes, if obviously doing so because they are in the "passenger of size" category. When that SW rep put Kevin on the standby list, he/she likely made it known to the crew of that flight that Mr. Smith was a "passenger of size", not based on her evaluation of him, but more because his "dual ticket" exchange proclaimed him as such. I'll bet all my rapid rewards points that if he had a single seat for his original flight, this would have never happened. I'm sorry for what he (and any obese person) in that scenario has to go through, but he brought this on himself with the purchase of two tickets. I honestly don't think he's too big to fly in one seat. I think he put himself in the category by buying two and the whole thing snow balled from there.
Anonymous111
Explorer C
First of all, how does one purchase two tickets for themselves on a southwest flight when there's an "open seating" policy on southwest?? When someone asks "is that middle seat taken?" Does he just respond "yes, I paid for two"? Either way, if he had a history of paying for two seats to allow himself "extra room", he's already aware he has a problem fitting into a single seat. In defense of Kevin, I never thought him of the obese size that would venture into the adjacent seat, but I digress. I'm willing to bet that the fact that he had 2 tickets on the previous flight, then went standby, is what drew attention to his weight on the flight he wound up taking. He might be able to claim Hollywood status (on a SW flight of all places) and buy 2 tickets for some sort of ghetto SW first class feeling... but to any airline employee, someone who walks up to the counter, asks for standby, and forks over two boarding passes, if obviously doing so because they are in the "passenger of size" category. When that SW rep put Kevin on the standby list, he/she likely made it known to the crew of that flight that Mr. Smith was a "passenger of size", not based on her evaluation of him, but more because his "dual ticket" exchange proclaimed him as such. I'll bet all my rapid rewards points that if he had a single seat for his original flight, this would have never happened. I'm sorry for what he (and any obese person) in that scenario has to go through, but he brought this on himself with the purchase of two tickets. I honestly don't think he's too big to fly in one seat. I think he put himself in the category by buying two and the whole thing snow balled from there.
TC3
Explorer C
It's not just big people SWA is rude to. Going out of PHX one time, I saw a 5'2" tall male flight attendent with a texas accent ask an indian man setting in the emergency row if he could speak english. He walked up and asked "do you speak english"? but the man did not see nor had heard the question, and the attendant bent over and put his face very close and loudly asked, "HEY PARDNER, DO YOU SPEAK ENGLISH"?? To this the indian man sort of shockingly answered , yes, most probably better than you, and five other languages as well. The flight attendant went on to rudely ask if he was able to operate the exit door in the event of an emergency. What a DICK that guy was.
Anonymous2476
Explorer C
I love Southwest and would choose them over any other airline! I fly frequently and my experiences with Southwest are consistently positive. The flight attendants are gracious and helpful. Once, just after throwing out my back, I was having difficulty sitting thru the length of a flight. The SW attendants allowed me to stand in the back with them and even offered me tips on back health. I flew another airline the next week and was offered no such sympathy. SW will always get you on the earliest flight out the minute you arrive at the gate...other airlines make you sit there on standby and wait for your name to be called and then give the seat to someone with more miles logged. I've always been able to use my rewards for the time and date I want (no blackout) AND their customer service operators are friendly, helpful...and fast. Additionally, SW is known in the business world as a company with a very strong, positive company culture. I know of one team from a Texas utility who went out to SW headquarters to learn from them. I hope this blows over and doesn't damage SW. I for one will continue to fly SW whenever possible.